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Steve H

Peg,

It now looks very much like the "new" memos that CBS dredged up are all forgeries !

Steve

Matthew

Hmmm... Seems like your support of Sullivan's blog ended about the same time he came out saying he couldn't vote for Bush. As much as you claim to be an independent thinker, your conservative bias and blind faith in the Bush administration is clear.

Also, I am not surprised you would buy into the claim that the administration had nothing to do with the Swift Boat ads. They may state that they admire Kerry's contributions, but their actions and the connections that have been daylighted show otherwise.

And Steve, not only do I not believe the new memos are forgeries, I predict in the weeks to come there will be more "discovered" papers released by the White House as pressure builds.

Peg K

Actually, you are wrong about the timing of my support of Sullivan's blog and his support for Bush. Sullivan said he was supporting Kerry and not Bush months ago. While obviously I do not agree with him - I'm supporting Bush - I still valued what I mentioned about Andrew and looked forward to hearing his remarks.

As I described, however, Sullivan has degenerated from straightforward thinking on the issues to irrational statements. I assume that it's because of Bush's positions on gay rights, though assuredly I could be wrong.

As for the administration being behind the Swift Boat ads - show me the evidence, Matthew. So far, I've seen none. And many of the vets in the group are either independents, or have publicly supported Democrats in the past. The group itself does not seem partisan - nor even Bush supporters. They are against Kerry; not for Bush.

As for my "blind faith" in the Bush administration? You must have the wrong blog. While I do support - and strongly - some of what this administration has done (the war, free markets, personal liberty), I also am critical of other actions and policies (abortion rights, gay rights, excessive spending).

Perhaps you shoulda been looking in the mirror when it comes to "bias", Matthew....

Steve H

Matthew,

Please note that these memos were not "released by the Whitehouse" ... the memos in question were faxed to the Whitehouse prior to the 60 Minutes hit piece, and are completely different in character and appearance than other memos that actually were released by the Whitehouse.

Remember ... "Never let facts get in the way of a good argument" ...

Steve

Matthew

"As for the administration being behind the Swift Boat ads - show me the evidence, Matthew. So far, I've seen none. And many of the vets in the group are either independents, or have publicly supported Democrats in the past. The group itself does not seem partisan - nor even Bush supporters. They are against Kerry; not for Bush."

1. A volunteer adviser has quit President Bush's re-election campaign after appearing in a veterans group's television commercial blasting Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's involvement in the Vietnam-era antiwar movement. CNN - August 23, 2004

2. A lawyer for President Bush's re-election campaign disclosed Tuesday that he has been providing legal advice for a veterans group that is challenging Democratic Sen. John Kerry's account of his Vietnam War service. AP - August 24, 2004

Not to mention the numerous ties, documented many times over, between the Swift Boat group and hard-core conservative Republicans, many from Texas, who have supported Bush in the past.

Tell me again how this is not a partisan group, and how they are not even really Bush supporters?

KS

Hey Matt,
Keep up the good fight. You will never get them to say or admit that any Republican or George Bush can do any wrong. I stopped trying, but I still view this site from time to time to get a good chuckle. Keep up the good fight. By the way you are right on about the Andrew Sullivan point.

Peg K

It truly is beyond me when people refuse to look at facts. What motivates them?

Both Kevin and Matt embrace the fiction that I (I cannot, of course, speak for others) am some Republican/conservative shill. This despite already stating that I do not agree with this administration about:

1. Gay marriage
2. Abortion
3. The death penalty
4. The war on drugs
5. Excessive spending
6. Abolition of estate taxes
7. Steel tariffs (thankfully later
rescinded)
9. Signing McCain-Feingold

Somehow, however, I don't believe that my list will dispel your faith in my "refusal to admit that any Republican can do any wrong."

Just me tilting at windmills again, I suppose.

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