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Greg

Of course this is just your opinion, and your field of study is real estate correct? Well, let's examine what historians are saying.


In an informal survey of 109 professional historians conducted over a three-week period through the History News Network, 98.2 percent assessed the presidency of Mr. Bush to be a failure while 1.8 percent classified it as a success.


Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.


At least two of those who ranked the current president in the 31-41 ranking made it clear that they placed him next-to-last, with only James Buchanan, in their view, being worse. “He is easily one of the 10-worst of all time and—if the magnitude of the challenges and opportunities matter—then probably in the bottom five, alongside Buchanan, Johnson, Fillmore, and Pierce,” wrote another historian.

Now I will admit that the participants were self-selected and this was not scientific poll at all, although participation was open to all historians. Among those who responded are several of the nation’s most respected historians, including Pulitzer and Bancroft Prize winners.

Geirge W. Bush the best US President between January 20, 2001 and January 20, 2009. The worse president between 1789 to 2009.

Peg

Of course this is "just my opinion." Just as all the people you mentioned are expressing "just their opinions."

Actually - my field of study is philosophy. Since I have been a Realtor since 1981, though, I do have more than a passing knowledge of real estate.

Among other things...

JFP

Greg, get a grip. These historians study the past, and George Bush's presidency is too recent for them to have much of a perspective on it. If they had polled historians living a century from now, I'd sit up and take notice. But there are so many things that can change one's perspective as time goes on that the opinions of today's historians are virtually worthless.

Greg

OK, let's just look back on this administration and I will let you judge for yourself. I came up with a short list of screw ups we have seen over the last 7 years. It was a quick list but stuff that pretty much came off the top of my head and some of from some friends when we were having fun looking back on the Bush Administration. Anyone care to defend any of this??

Enron - Republican donor extra ordinaire
July 10, 2001 meeting - Condi, the system is blinking red! Do something!
The August 6th PDB - "Ok, you've covered your ass".
9/11 - My Pet Goat
Tora Bora - Outsourcing the hunt
Pat Tillman - Ok, so we lied!
Bin Laden - Whereabouts unknown (kind of)
The Downing Street Memo - intelligence fixed around policy
Iraq tarpit - Mission Accomplished!
Jessica Lynch - Ok, so we lied again!
Body armor - We'll get to it when we get to it
Iraq casualties - 4000 dead, 30,000 wounded
Iraq costs - $1 trillion and counting (but it will pay for itself!)
Abu Ghraib - Fraternity hazing
Torture - It isn't just for Nazis anymore
WMDs - North, South, East, West of Tikrit
Yellowcake and Niger - The big lie
Valerie Plame - That'll teach Joe!
Family Values - Does fidelity count?
Domestic Spying - It's just your email and phone calls, and it's keeping you safe!
Al Qaida - Still going strong
Al Qaida in Iraq - courtesy of the USA
Medicaire Part D- Blame the drug companies, they wrote it!
Port security - Let the arabs handle it!
Head injuries - Sorry, we're low on cash
Veterans Affairs - We just GAVE you money, and you want some MORE?
Walter Reed - Whoops!
KBR and Halliburton - The big winners
Katrina - Heck of a job, Brownie!
Medical costs - best system in the world, if you don't look too hard
Net neutrality - It's a series of tubes you see
Global Warming - Still "studying"
Oil dependence - It's the American way of life!
Earmarks - They do it too!
Alberto Gonzales - political hack
Housing crisis - compliments of deregulation
Chinese lead toys - But you have to admit, they’re cheap!
Credit crisis - Tougher bankruptcy laws!
FAA and American Airlines - So what’s wrong with self regulation?
$9.2 trillion debt - It doesn't matter!
$113/barrel oil - Yay for Louisiana and Texas! Sorry everyone else.
The collapse of the dollar - Oh well, Great Party! I'd hate to be the guy in charge now. Ya'll come back now, hear?

What have I forgotten?

What have been Bush's successes?

JFP

Greg, I'm not going to bother listing his successes because you wouldn't count them as successes anyway.

Plus, you completely missed the point of what I was saying, which is that future judgments don't necessarily match present judgments. Look at what people were saying toward the end of the 19th century. In Britain, they were praising imperialism.

Lots of things can happen in a century that make people change their minds about things.

Peg

Harry Truman had the lowest rating of any president in the 20th century.

Today, obviously, Truman garners far more respect than he did when he was alive.

Perspective makes a difference!

jammen

So Peg, are you saying you would vote for Bush again for President if he was running for a second term?

Peg

Can someone please tell me why so many on the left are challenged by logic?

Jammen; alert me to anything that indicated I would vote for Bush again. (And - if I did, it would be for a third term; not a second. He's already well into his second term in office.)

Answer: no where did I say I would vote for him again. And - it would be impossible for me to answer this question now. Unlike dictatorships, we do not have one candidate. Only by knowing who the other candidate(s) were, could I decide whether or not I would want to vote for Bush. Against some people? Definitely. Against others? Definitely not.

Greg

JFP,

As usual, you show no ability to back up anything you state. It took me a short time to list Bush's failures, all I ask is for some successes. Can you do that, or is the task too hard? If you list them, I seem pretty able to judge for myself if they are a success, and if not, unlike you factually dispute them also.

Bush is a disaster, there is no way around it. You can talk all you want about Truman, but there has never been a President this unpopular for this long of a time. I know I am rehashing this point, but Clinton was 2 1/2 times more popular than Bush on the day he impeachment procedures were brought against him. I guess people tend to over look a robust economy and money in their pockets than they do now. I am for the life of me befuddle how anyone can still believe Bush is not the worse President we have seen in the last 50 years. The dollar is at almost a all time low, foreclosures up, people on food stamps up, 90% give the economy a poor rating, 56% want out of Iraq, and yet people will still pretend as if this has nothing to do with Bush. I kind of remember him coming to office with a budget surplus, what happened to that? Unless you are in the top 1% or an oil company, Bush has been a disaster.

But I am open minded so please someone list the pluses of the Bush Administration?

jammen

Greg, why do we bother. Peggy is a Bush apologist. I am curious as to who could possibly be the opponent that would cause her to vote for Bush (my guess-any Democrat). And Peg, this is a hypothetical.

Greg

Actually Jammen, I hit this site for pure comedic reasons. I am serious, all I have to do is to source some facts and watch the response with spin and the Right Wing talking points. I never see anyone counter anything I say with facts, all I ever get is talking points and right wing ideology. You noticed in this post that when I called JFP to list some success under the Bush Administration he has yet to respond. Kind of reminds me of Joe Scarsborough the other night on MSNBC. Liberal talk host Rachel Maddow counter his spin with facts, and he walked off the show. Facts are like kryptonite to Republicans.

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