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Greg

A few questions I have yet to have anyone who is Republican or a Bush supporter answer as of yet. You write that Bush has been maligned and reviled. I ask you what can you name as a few major accomplishments as President? The economy is in shambles. We are in 2 wars. Job growth has been dismal in his term as President, and the dollar has fallen. So I ask what does he have to hang his hat on as accomplishments?

You were not fond of Clinton, but when he left office we had a budget surplus, tremendous job growth, a roaring economy, the respect of nations around the world, crime dropping every year he was President. You might take issue with his stewardship over these matters, but they did happen on his watch. So again what did Bush do that we can point to as a success?

Also I am curious to understand what do you define as the center of the country politics? Obama is more centrist than most progressives are, but I am curious to understand what you deem as center politics or positions. For example recent polling have found these positions are what would label as centrist. So the question is are you to the right or do you feel the same as the majority of Americans?

Based on polling a majority of American's are seeking greater regulation of business


In polling 2/3rd's of Americans support some form of universal health care


2/3rds of Americans are for sitting down with our enemies without preconditions.


Per Gallup poll 61% of Americans believe in conservation over oil production.


Per Gallup poll a majority believe in stricter gun control.


Per Gallup poll a majority of Americans believe homosexuality should not be banned in the Constitution and should be an acceptable lifestyle.


Per Gallup poll a majority of Americans believe the war on Iraq is a big mistake even while believing the surge worked.

(I would of posted links but they light up the spam filter)


Seemingly, a larger majority of American’s tend to favor what most, I think, would consider centrist ideas that you might believe are liberal.

Peg

1) We have not been attacked on our shores since 9/11.

2) Saddam was removed from power.

3) The war in Iraq has made tremendous strides since the surge, and could ultimately lead to far better circumstances for us and the world in the Middle East.

The economy was not "roaring" as Clinton left office. Presidents do not single handedly have the ability to manage economies nor markets. They have peaks and valleys; Presidents can have some effect, but they cannot will the valleys away.

As for what is "centrist" in our country - did you get your stats from the Daily Kos, Greg?

Greg

Peg,

I asked for some accomplishments, so please explain how getting attacked on 9/11 is an accomplishment?

Saddam was removed from power. Yet he had nothing to do with 9/11 and I would not believe that many of those that have had loved one's lost to the war in Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11 would feel about that. In fact most Americans disagree with you on that.

Now you may question where I got my poll numbers from, but I will let you in on a little secret they are from Gallup, Pew, and a few major newspapers. But as I noted I could not post the links because of the spam guard on this blog.

The economy was not roaring under Clinton?
Did Clinton not leave a budget surplus which Bush and the so called conservatives ran into a deficit in one year? Over the whole of the Clinton administration, the economy added 22.7 million jobs which was an average of 237,000 per month. Over the whole of the Bush administration they added only 5.8 million jobs or 72,000 per month. You seem to like to pretend that history began in August 2003, so that you can ignore the job losses early in the administration. But even that doesn’t do the trick. Since August 2003, the economy has added 8.5 million jobs or 172,000 per month. So even by cherry-picking the good Bush years and pretending the bad years never happened, they still can’t match the average rate of job creation under Clinton. Besides those numbers of the Bush years are not accurate because of the massive job losses we have seen over the last several months. So there is no way you can with any sort of accuracy claim Bush handled the economy better than Clinton.

Now, you might say that Clinton doesn’t deserve all the credit for good things that happened on his watch and I we can agree on that. But it’s the Bush apologist who are trying to spin a mediocre job record into proof that their policies are wonderful. Did I mention that the Clinton job boom followed an, um, increase in taxes?

As far as being a centrist country I would think that Democrats winning the Presidency in the manner that they would might suggest that the country might be more center than you would believe. Then again after watching how the Republicans have been killed for two elections in a row might also offer some proof to this thought. On Tuesday, the country both rejected conservative ideology as well as embraced new, progressive priorities. The latest Pew Research poll showed that only 25 percent of the public agrees with the centerpiece of the conservative tax program: making Bush's tax cuts permanent. The public also agrees by 58 percent to 35 percent that the government should guarantee "health insurance for all citizens even if it means raising taxes." Exit poll data showed that 60 percent of voters were worried about rising health care costs and that 66 percent of those people backed Obama. A majority of Americans also want to expand environmental protections, increase the minimum wage, recognize same-sex marriage, and end the Iraq war, to name a few.

The Progressive Majority:
Why a Conservative America is a Myth

http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report

or

Here's a fun series of graphs based on finalized NYT exit polling data. The progression of the graphs tells the story of the election.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/politics/20081104_ELECTION_RECAP/electionChange2.swf

Greg

OK, can I lay this at the mantle of Bush also?

Jobless rate at 14-year high as losses continue

The unemployment rate shot to a 14-1/2 year high last month as employers slashed jobs by an unexpectedly steep 240,000, suggesting President-elect Barack Obama will face a deep recession when he takes office.

The Labor Department said on Friday the jobless rate rose a steep four-tenths of a percent to 6.5 percent in October, the highest since March 1994, and that job losses in September and August were deeper than previously thought.

So far this year 1.2 million U.S. jobs have been lost, with 651,000 in the past three months alone as the slide in the national labor market picked up in intensity.

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