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Greg

Wow, as if it was any surprise that there are some dead enders who do not believe or feel that Bush and company lied us into war. I would assume that this is the same group who feels he has done a good job, and the same lot who knows no one who has served multiple duties in Iraq, or anyone who has lost anyone in this war. For those people who still feel Bush is accurate, would there be any evidence out there that would lead them to believe anything else? I am assuming that you are also discounting everything Scott McClellan has said also.

Peg

McClellan?

All we know about him, Greg, is that he is certainly a liar. Cannot know with certainty whether he was lying THEN - or NOW. But - one way or the other, he lied.

And - if he's a liar and opportunist - can you really trust anything he says?

I think not.

Greg

It is funny as how many Republicans defended McClellan when he was chief liar for this Administration, and now those who defended him claim he is nothing short of a liar. To tell the truth I did not believe him when he was Press Secretary, yet I believe him now. I also found it interesting as to how another insider in the Bush campaign claims he is telling the truth. We will not go into the fact that almost everything we know as fact now, backs up a lot of what he says in his book. Now if he was a true profile in courage he would of stood up and said or did something then, and not wait to write a book later. This does make him a opportunist, but it does not discount what he says. especially when all the attacks against him are forge against his character, and none to the the substance to which he is speaking about. That tends to lead me to the conclusion he is telling the truth since no one has attacked the charges he has made. We all know now that Scooter Libby lied, Karl Rove lied, the whole intelligence the Bush Administration had was misused and at times was a direct lie.

To continue on that point why is it that you find no means to attack my basic premise? The Bush Administration lied. Is it because deep down you know I am correct? Let's look at Phase II of the Senate Intelligence Committee's report. The facts are that it was supposed to be done 4 years ago, but for some reason the Republicans did not want this report to see the day of light. Does anyone really believe that if they were still in charge this report would of ever been released? But that is all conjecture, let's examine the conclusions of the report:


* Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa'ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa'ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.


* Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.


* Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.


* Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community's uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.


* The Secretary of Defense's statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.


* The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.

So we can or you can dismiss McClellan all you want, let's just deal with the facts. That fact is they lied. Simple as that. Further evidence of this, something that you or no Right Winger or Republican can deny is the report done by the Center of Public Integrity. They have a report and a database that anyone can use to document what was said, what was a lie, and the time line in which it was said, with information that proves that the statements were false to be generous. So if you cannot trust McClellan, check out yourself, that is of course if you care to know the truth. Check it out yourself:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/


In the end one must come to the conclusion that Republicans seem to have this strange since of loyalty. I am beginning to think it is unpatriotic in how they seem more apt to love the Republican Party than they do their own country. Let me make a slight adjustment on that last statement. This is not the whole Republican Party, what I mean is it's new radical base that seems to different from that of traditional Republican. To be honest how can anyone look at any of these facts and still stand up and defend these people? In any other time they would be branded as war criminals and against American principles. Torture no problem, spying on United State citizens, again no problem, lying a country, once again no problem. It truly boggles the imagination. This comes from the people who impeached a President about lying over an extra-marital affair, but lying to start a war that has claimed 4000+ Americans, wounded thousand of others, resorted in the deaths of 100 of thousand of Iraqi's, and sunk this country into great debt, well that is all excusable. One has got to love Republicans, they truly understand marvel in their hypocrisy.

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