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Steve

THANK YOU for posting this! I love your blog!!

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jammen

Are "Birthers" part of the accepted base of the Republican party?

Peg

I'm not sure what you mean by this, Jammen. Do you mean "Would Republicans want the votes of birthers?" My guess would be "yes" - just as Democrats or Independents would be happy to get their votes.

If your question is: "Do Republicans embrace questioning whether or not Obama is eligible to be president on the basis of his birth?" then I would say, "No." Not only have I not seen Republicans making this part of their cause, I have seen them going out of their way to reject this as any sort of a meaningful, worthwhile issue.

DiogenesLamp

I disagree. You do appear to have a "lock on stupid."

I am adopted. I have two birth certificates. The "Official" state certified one is mostly lies. My original birth certificate tells the truth.

Perhaps you didn't know this happens all the time?

Peg

And just who is it that you think is "stuck on stupid" here, DiongenesLamp?

I have no idea what you are talking about with "lies" in your "official" birth certificate. I only know that I am not supportive of so-called "birthers."

Does that make me "stuck on stupid?" If so - why?

Perhaps you got stuck on looking in the mirror?

DiogenesLamp

Let me explain again.


I am adopted. I have a birth certificate which claims that I was born to my adopted father. This is not true.

I have another (an original) birth certificate, which shows I was born to my real father.

The Birth certificate the state "Certifies" is the one which is not true.

My records are sealed by the state, as are adoption records in most states.


The birth certificates issued under such situations are all false, and therefore don't prove anything.


Obama is in exactly the same situation, and everyone is calling the "birthers" stupid.

Peg

Uh, not quite, Diogenes. As far as I am aware, President Obama was never adopted by anyone.

And - by the way. Everyone is born to their "real" father - if by their "real" father, you intended to mean the man who provided the genetic material for a child. Outside of a few bizarre legal situations, no one is born to their adopted father.

jammen

How about the 9-11 "truthers"? Are they part of the Republican base also?

"Not only have I not seen Republicans making this part of their cause, I have seen them going out of their way to reject this as any sort of a meaningful, worthwhile issue."

You may want to rethink that.

From the Daily Beast:
House Leader, Senator Endorse Birthers
Senator Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma told Politico that the birthers "have a point," the fourth-highest ranking Republican in the House, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, is on video supporting the theories. "We're all going to find out," McMorris Rodgers tells Fire Dog Lake's Mike Stark when asked about Obama's birth certificate. "I'd like to see the documents.”

From Think Progress:

How many Republican congressmen are ‘birthers’?

Blogger-activist Mike Stark has been staking out Capitol Hill recently, trying to get Republican congressmen on the record about whether or not they believe President Obama was born in the United States. Only a couple of GOP congressmen were willing to state without reservation that Obama is the legal and constitutional President of the United States. Many others said they “think there are questions” and would “like to see the documents.” Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) began running away from Stark — literally — to avoid answering the question. Another congressman avoided Stark by hiding in a book store and pretending to look at pens.

Peg

Hey Jammen; I'd like to see the documents myself. I'd also like to see any records whatsoever from Obama's college days; those, too are in short supply.

But - saying that and saying that you don't think the president is constitutionally able to be president are two different things. Is the president being less than forthcoming with all the documentation he could provide? Yes. Does this prove that he was not either born in the United States or is eligible to be president? No.

"Think Progress" ain't exactly a resource that is going to be fair and balanced on this issue, either! LOL!

DiogenesLamp



Uh, not quite, Diogenes. As far as I am aware, President Obama was never adopted by anyone.

And - by the way. Everyone is born to their "real" father - if by their "real" father, you intended to mean the man who provided the genetic material for a child. Outside of a few bizarre legal situations, no one is born to their adopted father.

Posted by: Peg | Friday, April 23, 2010 at 07:53 AM

I am sorry this is difficult to understand. You are of course correct, I was born to the father that provided the genetic material. My point or course, is that the State government will TELL you I was born to my Adopted father.

I don't know how to make this more simple to understand. The STATE government will print out my birth certificate, and "Certify" it, even though it claims I was born to a man who did NOT provide any genetic material to me.

The State ROUTINELY lies on birth certificates. In the case of an Adoption, the Birth certificate will SAY whatever the Judge ORDERS it to say. Not the truth.

DiogenesLamp

Oh, and by the way. Obama WAS adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother divorced him in 1972 (if I remember correctly) and as a result of the Divorce Decree, the Judge handling the Divorce ordered changes made to Barack Obama's birth certificate.

Did you not know this?

Peg

Actually, I cannot find any hard evidence as to whether or not Obama was legally adopted or not by his step-father. If you can find something concrete, Diogenes - love to see it.

This much I know. If you are an adopted father and not the birth father of a child - particularly if this is well after a child was born - if you are listed as the birth father on a birth certificate, it would make a mockery of what a birth certificate is purported to signify.

Seems you are providing ample evidence of why it would have been prudent of the president to provide people with all this documentation, rather than to have many continue to guess about it.

DiogenesLamp

This much I know. If you are an adopted father and not the birth father of a child - particularly if this is well after a child was born - if you are listed as the birth father on a birth certificate, it would make a mockery of what a birth certificate is purported to signify.

Exactly. And it is exactly what I've been trying to get people to understand. Computer Print-outs (that are not copies of an original) have no credibility, and cannot be regarded as the truth.

On *MY* birth certificate, The Father's name is not my real father, My mother's name is not her name when I was born. The Address listed is NOT the address we lived at when I was born, Father's place of birth is that of my Adopted Father. (Quitman Texas vs Reno Nevada) In short, everything that proves I was born to my real father is removed and replaced with information from my adopted father.

And this is the OFFICIAL "Certified" copy.

Adoption Records are normally sealed. The State won't even tell you that an adoption has taken place. I know about mine because I was old enough to remember when it happened. I went before a Judge who asked me if I wanted to change my name to that of my New Daddy. I said "yes", and the Judge ordered all the changes made to my official records, and that the records of my adoption be sealed.

Fortunately, My mother kept my original Birth certificate with my original name and data.

I have been thinking about posting it online for other people to see, but i'm concerned that the information might be misused by identity thieves, or draw unwanted attention to me by Liberal Activists.

jammen

Why do "Birthers" want Joe Biden to be the President? Were they part of Biden's Presidential campaign?

Perhaps they are unaware of a line of succession and think there would be a new election?

I didn't know there were so many people interested in constitutional law issues.

Is it possible that there is another motive?

Peg

I don't know much about birthers. I think the answer may be that they aren't sure what they want.

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